Subject: Masonry: Temporary home for the list!
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 15:26:58 -0700
From: fwaid@sara.zia.com (Fred M. Waid)
Reply-To: FreeMasonry@sara.zia.com
To: Multiple recipients of 


Hi Everyone,

The FreeMasonry list has a temporary home at:
FreeMasonry@sara.zia.com

It is being managed automatically using our listserver.  

Don't worry about the number of posts as we
already handle 10's of thousands of messages
each day with the other mailing lists we host.

Dick, you can pat Sandy, and get a good nights sleep.
You have done a heroic job today managing this
list manually!

Fred M. Waid
Jornada Lodge No. 70
Mesilla, NM
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My Friend:

Welcome to the Freemasonry mailing list (freemasonry-list).  The 
following tells who we are, explains how to subscribe and unsubscribe, 
offers some pointers and advice for getting along with list mail on the 
InterNet, points you to a couple more resources, and explains how the 
list-owner deals with problems.  I recommend you read it all the way 
through, print out a copy as well as filing it away on your disk and 
KEEP IT for future reference.

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WHO WE ARE:
This "forum" is intended to provide an opportunity for Freemasons and 
persons interested in more information about Freemasonry to get together 
and discuss their interests and share information.  You will find 
non-Masons, Prince Hall Masons, Co-Masons, F&AM Masons, AF&AM Masons, 
people from all over the world representing Freemasonry in one form or 
another and people who are just plain curious about this wonderful order 
to which many of us belong.

We do NOT discuss Masonic secrets or provide any forms of "recognition" 
which are official positions since there are just too many jurisdictions 
and opportunities for problems.  What we do provide is an open forum
with hopefully polite discussions between members of the list.

If you like, we invite you to post a short introduction so we can get to 
know you, but if that's not your style, just be comfortable with our 
forum.  The only stupid question is the one that doesn't get asked, so
if you have one, ask it.  If you have information to share, please do.

This list is also a closed list, meaning only subscribed members can 
post messages to it.
 
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SUBSCRIBING, UNSUBSCRIBING, WRITING TO THE LIST, and CONTACTING THE
LISTOWNER

POSTING TO THE LIST:
To post to others on the list, send your message to:
freemasonry-list@sacto.mp.usbr.gov

SUBSCRIBING/UNSUBSCRIBING;
To subscribe or unsubscribe, send a message to:
freemasonry-list-request@sacto.mp.usbr.gov

With the word SUBSCRIBE or UNSUBSCRIBE (SIGNOFF works as well) as the
entire body of the message test.  The list software DOES NOT understand
messages like "Please unsubscribe me" or "I'll be out of town til the
10th..."  If you send such a message to the request address, you will
receive an error message.  Likewise, do not include a "signature file" 
when sending commands to the list processing address.

If you have a problem subscribing or unsubscribing, please send a 
message to the list owner, not to the list at large.  Please be patient, 
this is not the listowner's full-time job, but he WILL get to your
request. Sending multiple requests will merely delay the process 
while he sorts out what is going on.  Sending requests to the list at large
will accomplish nothing except broadcast to the entire list that you didn't 
read the instructions.

CONTACTING THE LISTOWNER:
If there is a problem with the list processor which should be brought to 
the attention of the list owner, you should address you message to:
henrym@sacto.mp.usbr.gov

Again, running this list is not a full time job, and sometimes it may 
take a while for the owner to actually see your message(s), so please be 
patient.  Be assured that the owner does act on problem reports as soon 
as possible.

HOW TO GET ALONG ON THIS LIST:
Personal flames are unwelcome on this list;  one may argue ideas or 
concepts, one may discuss alternative approaches, but we do not 
appreciate personal attacks in any form.  If you _MUST_ indulge, please 
do so privately and do not involve the entire list.  

Computer wars are also a waste of time and list bandwidth.  Arguing that 
MAC's are better than PC's or SUN's, or whatever, is on the whole,
rather pointless.  Likewise with system or software upgrades.  If you need to 
discuss these items, we ask you to do so privately or in another forum.

Replies to the occasionaly error or return receipts that show up on the 
list only irritate everyone and really don't accomplish anything.  The 
listowner will try to deal with these on a case-by-case basis, but 
putting your two cents' worth in only wastes your time and list
bandwidth.

Return Receipts and Confirmation messages (sent by certain mail
software) are  also highly annoying;  please ensure that these options 
are turned OFF in your mailer before posting to the list.  Remember, 
INTERNET service is not FREE for everyone, and some services charge 
by the message sent or received and sometimes by the length of the 
message as well.  Do your part to make participating in this list's activities 
as cost effective as possible for everyone else.

Also, many new members, in their zeal, attempt to post many documents 
that they may have acquired via Masonic Bulletin Boards or other sources.
Please do not do this.  It is extremely wasteful of resources, and the 
sudden overload in traffic can cause major mailing delays as well as 
annoy other list members to the point of them leaving the list because 
they cannot handle the overload of information.

If you feel you MUST do any of the things we've discussed above, please 
take them offline to private email between yourself and the person with 
whom you are in disagreement.  

The listowner will advise you in private email of infractions with a 
polite request to drop the subject.  If this advice is ignored, a public 
warning will be posted to the list, which can be embarassing.  If the 
problem continues, and is disruptive to the list at large, you will be 
removed as a last resort.

Regarding the volume of mail you can expect on this list, here is a
brief summary of some important points to remember:

Those who subscribe to mail servers have to realize that there may well 
be a LOT of mail.  Old Internet hands know you subscribe, weigh the 
amount of mail against any benefits and then unsubscribe if you don't 
like it or don't think it's worth your time and money.  But, it is rather  
difficult to tell list members what they should or shouldn't post, so
you may well be the recipient of threads (discussions) to which you have 
absolutely no interest.  

OTHER PLACES TO GET INFORMATION:
In addition to this list, a USENET newsgroup and another mailing list
are available on this subject.

The newsgroup is alt.freemasonry, and is available through regular
USENET channels.  You should be aware that this is an UNMODERATED 
group, and flaming and anti-masonic content is present from time to time.

The other mailing list is ukmason-list@infohighway.co.uk
This list is STRICTLY intended for discussion of topics pertaining to 
Masonry as practiced in the UK and subscriptions are not automatically 
entered.  There protocol is more strict than freemasonry-list, and the 
topics of discussion are more aligned with what concerns Masons in 
England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland (and a few other places 
under the jurisdiction of one of the UK Grand Lodges).  Don't request to 
join this list if you only want to do so out of curiosity.

There is a masonic WEB site maintained by Roger Ingersoll.  You can
visit this site by:

xxxxxxxxxxx

Also, there are more and more United States Grand Lodges coming on-line 
all the time.  We are ever mindful that postings by individuals should 
not and can  not represent any official position of a Grand Lodge or 
private lodge.  

Enjoy your membership in freemasonry-list, and be sure to PARTICIPATE -- 
that's where you'll find the most benefit.

ERRORS, WARNINGS, PRIVACY AND STUFF:

WARNING!  This can be a HIGH volume list.  In some cases we can see more 
than 50 messages per day.  Some days you won't see any messages.  And, 
this list is NOT currently available in DIGEST format.  Be advised that
the list owner is agressive about error messages;  if a large number of 
errors appear from your site (more than 25), you and your postmaster
will receive a copy of the error (if possible) and you will be dropped from 
the list until the problem is resolved.

If your address changes, use the subscribe and unsubscribe addresses to 
inform the listowner as soon as possible.  "Unknown User" error messages 
usually get you unsubscribed pretty quickly.

This is a PRIVATE mailing list, NOT a newsgroup.  We ask that messages 
posted to this list NOT BE REPOSTED elsewhere, either to other lists or 
to the net, without prior permission from the originator.  If you think 
something on this list will help others and you would like to distribute 
a particular mail message to another list, or other people, please ask 
the originator(s) for their permission and respect their wishes.

>From time to time on the Internet and elsewhere, you may come across 
information which you think that will help someone who has a problem or 
warn someone of a dangerous situation.  However, many of these items are 
myths, hoaxes or downright frauds.  Before you are tempted to post one 
of these items to the list, please check out the following WEB page to 
see if the item is indeed a fraud:

        http://www.nardis.com/~twchan/

You might also want to check the netnews newsgroup alt.folklore.urban.

To recapitulate the rules:

DO NOT send "test messages" to the list.

DO NOT attempt to send ASCII copies of graphics files: they are very 
large and may not pass through gateways properly.

DO NOT send MIME encoded messages to the list.  Not everyone has a MIME 
capable reader, and the usual result is garbage that most people cannot 
read.

PLEASE make certain that your mail agent is set to create messages that 
are less than 80 characters wide.  If they are wider, some people may 
not be able to read them easily.

DO NOT turn on "Return Receipt" when sending mail to the list.  The list 
owner receives a copy of every return receipt, and he will not be 
amused...

DO NOT send a message to the entire list when you only mean the message 
to go to one or two people.  This is extremely wasteful of system and 
network resources.

PLEASE be civil with each other.  Please do not openly take the 
hard-line approach to someone because you don't agree with them.  
Remember, the Masonic Customs in their jurisdiction may be different 
than yours.

PLEASE check you mail regularly if you use Compuserver, AOL, or other 
service that places a restriction on the number of messages that you can 
have in your mailbox.  This is a particular problem with AOL users.

PLEASE DO NOT send SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE messages to the list itself - 
the proper procedure is listed earlier in this document.

Last Update: 21-Aug-1996